Wednesday, February 15, 2017

The Mentor's Role in The Hero's Journey

By Debby Giusti

THE FIRST MENTOR
Any conversation on mentors starts in 8th century BC Greece when Homer composed The Odyssey. His epic poem takes place ten years after the Iliad, Odysseus has not yet returned home from the Trojan War and his twenty-year-old son, Telemachus, needs guidance. The goddess Athena--disguised as a character Homer named Mentor--is sent to help the lad and provide the wise counsel he needs. Since Homer’s time, the term mentor has been given to all characters serving in that role of guide and/or counselor.

Mosaic depicting Odysseus, villa of La Olmeda,
Pedrosa de la Vega, Spain, late 4th-5th C AD
(CC BY-SA 3.0. File: Villa Romana de La Olmeda Mosicos romanos 001 Ulises.jpg. 8 June 2011)

The mentor character type has often been portrayed as a wise old man or woman who offers advice like a loving parent. An example that comes to mind is the fairy godmother in Cinderella. Mentors frequently are former heroes, such as a coach who excelled at a particular sport and now instructs the young star on the ins and outs of the game.  While usually a seasoned veteran, the mentor can also be a young person—even a child—who offers words of wisdom and/or information the hero needs to successfully achieve his goals. Think of the teen computer whiz who might help a statesman or government bureaucrat, especially if the cyber security of our nation hangs in the balance. For anyone old enough to remember Shirley Temple movies, the child-star always provided simple, yet logical advice that spurred the older characters to take the high road when conflicted about a certain decision.

ARCHETYPES

What’s an archetype?

Dictionary.com provides this definition: The original pattern or model from which all things of the same kind are copied or on which they are based; a model or first form; prototype.

An archetype is a character used repeatedly in fables, tales and myths. Since the mentor has universal appeal and is found in stories and fables down through the ages, it is considered one the basic literary archetypes and thus an important tool for writers.



The following archetypes are frequently found in literature:
Hero
Mentor
Threshold Guardian
Herald
Shapeshifter
Shadow
Trickster

THE COLLECTIVE UNCONSIOUS

Interestingly, Carl G. Jung, the Swiss psychiatrist and psychotherapist who founded analytical psychology in the early 1900s, wrote about archetypes as being “constantly repeating characters or energies which occur in the dreams of all people and the myths of all cultures.” Jung claimed that these characters sprang from the collective unconscious common to all humankind. If there’s any truth in what Jung espoused, then it would behoove us as writers to tap into the universality of the archetypes as a resource to ensure our stories resonate with readers.

Carl G. Jung, Orstsmuseum Zollikon,
artist unknown. (PD-US)

MYTHOLOGY

How do we know that these basic literary archetypes, including the mentor, are universally found in stories? We can thank Joseph Campbell, a writer, professor and mythologist, born at the beginning of the 20th Century.

Campbell studied mythology extensively and deduced that all myths, whether passed down as oral tradition or written expression, contain the same basic format. That same basic format and character archetypes are found worldwide, and are common in all cultures, tribes, peoples, races and nationalities. According to Campbell, this universal format is, indeed, the journey taken by man and is at the heart of who we are as human beings. He named the structure The Hero’s Journey and published his findings, in 1949, in a book entitled, “The Hero With a Thousand Faces.” 


CHRISTOPHER VOGLER

While taking classes at USC in the 1980s, Christopher Vogler was introduced to Campbell’s work and instantly connected with The Hero’s Journey and the mythical elements common in all stories. Vogler recognized that those films that followed the mythical structure, such as Star Wars, were box office hits.



Eventually, Vogler accepted a position with Walt Disney Company as a story analyst. It was there that he penned a seven-page memo, which he titled “A Practical Guide to The Hero With a Thousand Faces.” The memo circulated through Disney and then traveled to other Hollywood studios as more and more people recognized the formula for successful story creation into which Vogler had tapped.


THE WRITER’S JOURNEY

Vogler expanded that first memo into an excellent book called The Writer’s Journey, which provides a more in-depth look at the mythical structure. The book, now in its third edition, is a favorite of mine, and one I believe every writer would be well served to read and review often in his or her own writing journey. I’m giving away a copy to someone who visits this blog today and leaves a comment. Let me know if you’d like to be in the drawing.


FUNCTIONS OF THE MENTOR

Vogler identifies the following functions of the mentor. I’ve provided examples, although I’m sure you can think of many more.

Teaching – Mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid
Gift-Giving – Fairy godmother in Cinderella
Inventor – Doc Emmett Brown in the movie, Back to the Future
The Hero’s Conscience – Jiminy Cricket in Pinocchio
Motivation – Mary Poppins, a teacher but also a motivator 
Planting—(information, a clue, a prop) “Q” in the James Bond movies (“Q” gives  007 gadgets early in the movie that will be needed later in the story)
Sexual Initiation--(provides advice on love) Alex Hitchens, a date doctor, in the movie Hitch

Examples from my own stories include the following:

In Nowhere to Hide, my debut novel, the heroine, Lydia Sloan, hides out in her beloved aunt’s oceanfront home. Although the aunt is traveling in Ireland, the two women keep in touch by phone. The aunt’s kind and loving advice, as well as gifts she provides for Lydia and her son, help Lydia feel at home in her secluded hideaway. Even more important is the aunt’s stitched sampler bearing the words, “Jesus, I trust in you.” When danger looms, Lydia reflects on her aunt’s faith and draws strength from the short prayer.
  
Everyone has a secret in Countdown to Death. The hero’s kindly aunt provides sage advice and clues to a decade-old murder that has bearing on why five people in a small Georgia town come down with a rare, deadly disease.

The hero’s sister in Stranded shares insights into the hero’s character and reveals information about his past that positively impacts the relationship between the hero and heroine.

When characters have already learned the lessons they need to achieve their goals, a real-time mentor is not necessary within the story. The hero can reflect on a past mentor, such as a military instructor or a favorite chaplain who has brought him to faith or has provided life lessons that will save the hero in time of danger.  

In Scared to Death, the heroine lovingly remembers the grandfather who raised her as she tries to uncover the truth about an old friend’s untimely death.  A missing cross given to her by her grandfather is found and serves as an external sign of her grandfather’s love and the faith he taught her.

The first two stories in my new Amish Protectors series both have mentors that help the heroines learn about the Amish faith and way of life. In each instance, the concern and acceptance of the caring Amish women—one is the hero’s sister and the other an innkeeper—help the heroines make the transition to the plain world.

Who are the memorable mentors in the stories you love to read? In what ways did they help the protagonist? How did their presence add depth to the story? Have you used the mentor archetype in your own stories? What did your mentor teach your protagonist? Or what function did the mentor provided in the story?


 THE TAKEAWAY

Note to self: Check the archives before writing a blog post!

Finding blog topics for Seekerville is becoming a challenge. After ten years of sharing writing tips and techniques, it’s hard to come up with something original.

When I needed to select my blog topic to insert in the last Weekend Edition, I looked in my writing toolbox and pulled out THE MENTOR, thinking the topic would provide an interesting discussion. I should have checked the archives. Tina Radcliffe wrote an excellent blog in 2014 on “Understanding The Mentor Archetype.” Cross my heart that I didn’t read her post until after mine was written, which means that Tina and I must think alike because we both shared similar information found in The Writer’s Journey. Check out Tina’s blog HERE, but be sure to come back and take part in today’s discussion. Remember, leave a comment to be entered in the drawing for a copy of The Writer’s Journey.

Happy Writing!

Wishing you abundant blessings,
Debby Giusti


AMISH REFUGE
By Debby Giusti

HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT

Miriam Miller barely escapes the ruthless attacker that killed her mother and kidnapped her sister. Running deeper into the woods, she’s running out of hope…until she falls into the arms of an unlikely bodyguard—a peaceful Amish farmer. Something about Abram Zook inspires her trust, but even in bucolic Willkommen, Georgia, Miriam faces danger. Both from the men pursuing her and from her growing feelings for the caring—though guarded— widower who protects her. Because if she falls for Abram she’ll have to embrace his Amish faith as her own—or lose him. With each minute, her abductor creeps closer, pushing Miriam to an inevitable choice: stay and risk her heart…or leave and risk her life.


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125 comments :

  1. YES!! Thinking back on the books I've read, many of them contain mentor-type characters to help our hero/heroine. The one I finished is about a young man(Kyle), who returns to his hometown to fulfill a promise he made to his dying father.Turning the land back into a thriving cattle ranch. He also remembers his dad's words "Take care of Jess", who is an old family friend of his dads. Jess knows more about the cattle business than anyone, so of course Kyle asks for his help. Not only is Jess a good friend, but a teacher & mentor for Kyle. He helps him through the grief of losing his dad & painful past regrets. Jess even gives Kyle a (gentle) but solid kick in the pants if needed, lol! It's wonderful to see the relationship develop through the book & how Jess is instrumental in Kyle's life in so many ways.

    What a great insightful post Debby! I love learning how well written stories & characters come about. :-) Since I'm not a writer, no need to put my name in for "The Writers Journey". :-)

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    1. Trixi, Jess sounds like a delightful mentor to Kyle. And you've mentioned many of the roles mentors play in a story, including providing that much needed kick in the pants!

      Thanks for sharing!

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  2. This is a topic that is long overdue for a redux. Thanks, Debby for bringing it to us.

    My favorite mentor is Donkey to Shrek, and I tend to always write the funny and annoying mentor. Bitsy Harmony in the Paradise series. I have a new one in my new series. General Rue Butterfield. Female annoying mentor.

    I just re-watched Top Gun and in that movie it is Goose to Maverick's character.

    Love a good mentor.

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    1. Tina, I need to watch Shrek again...and take notes! As we know, Hauge uses that film in many of his workshop discussions as it follows the perfect story format.

      I want to know more about General Rue Butterfield. :) Is she a Southern belle?

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    2. I just watched Shrek the other day on TV with my youngest and I said, "Don't you just love donkey?"

      Along those lines, Olaf is a mentor to both Anna and Elsa in "Frozen." He's funny and sweet and delivers some of the best lines in the movie, including when he's trying to warm Anna up by the fire and she tells him, "No! You'll melt!" and he responds "Some people are worth melting for."

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    3. There's so much more to the Disney movies than just the external story the children enjoy. They all contain so many universal truths!

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    4. Tina, I love Donkey in Shrek! What a great visual for mentors!

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  3. Here's a HUGE pot of coffee to wash down this weighty stuff.

    Good advice. Mentors are always nice to have around. :)

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    1. Thanks for manning the coffee, Helen! Just what I need this morning!

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  4. Hi Debby:

    Wonderful post!

    It makes me think of a wise old coach who said, "Professionals need to be reminded more than they need to be taught." (Samuel Johnson was the archetype for this saying but I don't think the coach knew that.)

    I'll bet that most times when a CP mentions something that is amiss, the writer well knows it but simply missed it in the current version of her work. All that was needed was a reminder.

    There is nothing wrong with "the same, only different" -- it's what we are told to do!

    BTW: your post made me think about "The Epic of Gilgamesh" which is so old there is good evidence that the writers of Genesis had read it or at least heard it performed. I believe this Epic has all the archetypes you mentioned with 'Sexual Initiation' playing an absolutely essential role. (It was how a man raised by animals in the woods was tamed to become a human being.)

    Best of all, I was so interested in your debut novel, "Nowhere to Hide", that I went right to Amazon to buy it only to find I have bought it but had not yet read it! I'm sure you've mentioned this book before, but I'm still thankful that you reminded me of it again.

    You have a beautiful voice. You can cover any song you like and it will still be music to my ears.

    Vince

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    1. Vince, you say the sweetest things. I'm sure Linda reminds you everyday of that lovely gift you have! :)

      And you've taken this discussion back even farther than the Odyssey. The earliest surviving portion of The Epic of Gilgamesh dates back to the 18th C BC, with the writing itself thought to be even older.

      Isn't it amazing that stories from the very beginning contain the same structure and elements. I'm trying to determine if The Hero's Journey fits in man's spiritual quest for God, which I think is at the heart of each man's journey.

      Food for thought!

      I hope you enjoy NOWHERE TO HIDE.

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    2. Hi Debby:

      You wrote:

      " I'm trying to determine if The Hero's Journey fits in man's spiritual quest for God, which I think is at the heart of each man's journey."

      I think it could be even more basic than this: I believe that the heart of any journey is man's search for meaning. Even without language there is always the "WHY?"

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    4. Hi Debby:

      Are you sure about "Nowhere to Hide" being your debut novel? Amazon shows it as SEP 2009. I read the two books that come before that one: "Scared to Death" AUG 2007 and "Protecting Her Child" MAY 2009. I think you had books published before I discovered Seekerville and I am trying to read the ones I missed from the first to current. I just knew I've read your first two books and had your next book on my Kindle ready to read.

      But one never knows. I once happily read a new authors first three books and wrote in a review that each book was better than the last and the author wrote this comment: "That's not good because the publisher did not release them in the order she wrote them." Actually, the author took it as if she was getting worse with each book. : (

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    5. Nowhere to Hide came out in May 2007. It was my debut. I'm not sure why Amazon uses the 2009 date. Funny, huh?

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    6. But the meaning of our lives is found in God, Vince, so I stand by my statement that man's search for God is at the core of who we are. :)

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    7. Hi Debby:

      I can agree 100% with what you wrote here: "...that man's search for God is at the core of who we are. :)"

      And yet, when we are analyzing the 'Hero's Journey', what about the hero who has already found God? What about his journey? Consider St. Francis Xavier whose journey took him to Japan as a fisher of men. He was trying to give his life on earth meaning over and above his belief in God.


      Of course, I'm a philosopher and I've been highly influenced by Viktor E. Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning". God may give a meaning to life itself and this may be at the core of who we are but we as individuals also must give meaning to the life we live here on earth. That's why God has a different plan for each of us.

      Aren't philosophers fun? : )

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  5. I seem to have been reading a lot of "Grandmother" type mentors in stories in recent times. The older, wiser woman guiding. The voice of experience beautifully written.

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    1. Grandmothers always provide wise advice for their grandchildren...plus love and acceptance. Thanks for mentioning them!

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  6. I am in the middle of a series right now where the annoying "long lost mother" is back in the heroine's life giving very sound advice she doesn't want to hear, there is a potential love interest who is there to give her sound advice with humor and then there is the best friend who walks to her own drummer but also gives sound advice. Ultimately, the heroine listens to all of them but it takes her awhile.

    This is a great post Debby and I would love to be in the drawing.

    Blessings,
    Cindy W.

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    1. Cindy, do all three characters serve as mentor? Is one of them trying to steer the heroine off course? A mentor can have bad intentions as well. Sometimes a friend can be walking along the same path as the heroine but making mistakes. She provides an example for the heroine of what NOT to do. :)

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    2. They are actually all mentors in different areas of her life. The mother has the same talent she has and is helping her hone that talent. The male is mentoring her in relationships that she is fearful of and the friend is mentoring her in how to decorate.

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  7. There's nothing like a good mentor...perhaps that's why I like to hang out here.
    Great post, Debby! By the way, "Nowhere to Hide" has always been one of my favs.
    Happy Birthday to Jackie Layton!

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    1. Jill, you're so sweet!

      We love having you hang out with us!!! And I loved the pics of your office yesterday in Myra's delightful post! Also so glad you're enjoying your AlphaSmart.

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  8. Deb, I remember Tina's post on that, it was solid. But you know there are lots of folks who don't ever go to archives.... (Jan Drexler is an exception, she once said she got a college course in creative writing through Seekerville archives!!!) :)

    And we all have slightly different approaches on things, so it's good to attack it from multiple authors/directions.

    This makes so much sense. I love mentors. I love them in stories, in movies, in sagas, I just think they set the example of being a lifetime learner, and realizing we need to gather courage (as characters) and forge ahead.

    This is wonderful stuff!

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    1. Heaven help people who don't have mentors, right? We all need folks to help up on this journey. :) And since stories mirror life, our heroines need help too!

      You're a sage mentor to so many, Ruthy! Perhaps I need to write you into one of my stories. Could you dress Amish? LOL!

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  9. EXCELLENT, DEBBY! Fascinating, too, about how "Mentor" came to be. I suppose I knew that from my college days and reading Homer & such, but I'd forgotten.

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    1. Hi Glynna! I've forgotten so much! That's why I love Google...and keeping a phone close at hand to check facts! :)

      Bet you're buried in snow. Stay warm and safe!

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    2. I'm with you Glynna. I studied that also, however in college days, I wasn't thinking about story writing an mentoring in that sense. LOL

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  10. Good morning, Seekerville! It's raining cats and dogs in Georgia! Thankfully it's not too cold or all that precipitation would be coming down as SNOW!!! For those inundated with the white stuff, stay safe!

    I've brought a lovely assortment of pastries, bagels and coffee cake, plus fresh fruit, for our morning enjoyment. The coffee's hot. I'm pouring a second cup...

    Oh, and there's lots of Valentine candy! Can everyone say, "Sugar high!"

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    1. I behaved myself and stayed away from the candy. Boring I know. But hubby brought flowers. Less calories. smile
      But I'll take some coffee.

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    2. I got flowers too, which I loved. The candy is from my own stash! Shame on me! :)

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  11. I love the cover of Scared to Death! I am going to have to check that one out.

    Debby, here in Southwest Virginia I have not seen much snow. I want to make a snowman. There were snow showers in the forecast for last night. They didn't come. I'm still waiting lol.

    My favorite mentor: In Beauty and the Beast, the Ms. Teapot. She's telling the Beast how to communicate with Belle when she's locked in the room and he wants her to come down for dinner. He whirls around and points to the door like it's Belle's fault she's being difficult.

    In Mulan, the dragon that's trying to get his place back.

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    1. Sally, love your mention of Disney movies! They all follow The Hero's Journey. Vogler introduced the concept and Disney hopped on board. In fact, Vogler worked on Beauty and the Beast soon after he wrote the memo. Also Lion King.

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  12. Enjoyed the tracing of heroes from mythology. Have always been interested in word origins from both Greek and Latin. I think the Bible is a great source if both called and hesitant leaders/ mentors. Keep on writing and sharing.

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    1. Sharon, so good to see you here! Yes, yes, yes to finding those archetypes in Scripture. Interesting that the mythical story structure is at the core of our own journeys. Something I want to pursue a bit more in regards to the spiritual journey!

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  13. This is a great post, Debby! I also second whoever said the Seeker Ladies are mentors. Yes, a thousand times, yes (or at least for me anyway). I think I've inserted a mentor or two in scripts/manuscripts. They're usually quirky secondary characters in my stuff. I was cleaning out our catch all office last weekend and came across three film scripts I wrote during graduate school. Only one got "filmed" (my thesis animation project). It was fun to read them again and I'm considering turning them into book form.
    Anyway, I do occasionally venture into the archives for refresher courses when I'm struggling with something. Hooray for the archives!!!!
    Would love to be in the draw for the book. I don't think I've ever come across that one, although most of the information sounds familiar.

    Have I mentioned lately how wonderful Seekerville is? If I haven't, I do now. I am so thankful for all you Seeker Ladies and the community you've established. Thank you!!!!!

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    1. You're so sweet, DebH! Yes, you're in the drawing. I'm sure you would enjoy the book!

      Love that you've written three screen plays. I would like to try my hand at that format. Oh my gosh, a huge learning curve for sure!

      How special to have had one of your screen plays "produced." You're so talented...multi-talented. The mix of your talents will come together for something very special that will have far-reaching success, I feel sure!

      Hugs!

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    2. How sweet Deb. You folks mentor us right back with your comments. Happy writing.

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  14. Great topic this morning, Debbie. I have The Hero's Journey and have used it as an aid when outlining my stories.

    But sometimes I feel like the mentor character becomes cliché. The elderly figure that's always there to give the sermon that becomes the turning point for the whole book.
    I'm glad Tina brought up Donkey and Goose, because both of those are great examples of non-typical mentors.

    How do ya'll keep your mentor characters from becoming cliché?

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    1. Perhaps you're thinking of mentors that go too far. The hero/heroine has to do the work and go through the struggle and come out victorious in the end. The mentor provides the push at the right time...or the right info...or the food for thought that spurs the protagonist on. A subtle mentor is probably a better way to think of the archetype, especially in contemporary stories.

      Does that make sense?

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  15. DEBBY, thank you for this post! And for reminding us about TINA's. I can't hear too much about Vogler's Hero's Journey.

    In some of my books, I've used quirky secondary characters as mentors. They may not always appear to be someone a hero or heroine would turn to for sage advice, which is why it's fun to put them in that role.

    Janet

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    1. Having a mentor that doesn't fall within the norm is always fun, Janet. I love your stories!!!

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    2. DEBBY, I love your stories! Can't wait to read the newest. Let's see, how many is this?

      Janet

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    3. Counting the two Seekerville indie releases, which are no longer available, it's #20. :)

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  16. Oh, I forgot. I wrote a "mentor" into my animation short. He was an argyle sock counseling a dress sock who likes the heroine sock and is afraid to ask her to dance. The argyle tells him to go for it saying "Every sock dries... not every sock really lives."
    Which was me taking a quote from Braveheart and tweaking it a bit for the animated love story between socks (lost behind the dryer).

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    1. Love it, Deb!!! It takes real talent to create a story staring socks!!! Good for you!

      Hugs!

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  18. Debby, very timely post. None of my stories have a mentor. I need to make a trip to the mentor store and buy one.

    I use Seekerville's archives fairly often. Sending our a query letter? Check out Seekerville. Synopisis? Seekerville. Book-in-a-week. You got it. Sometimes even grammar questions. And yes, it's helpful if there's 4 or more posts on the subject to get different perspectives.

    And how did I miss Countdown to Death? On my way to Amazon to order it right now.

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    1. Connie, so glad you use the archives! It's nice to know our blogs are revisited!!!

      Yes, buy a mentor for sure!!! :)

      Thanks for your mention of COUNTDOWN TO DEATH. :)

      Hugs!

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  19. What a wonderfully in depth post, Debby! Filled with powerful tools for the writing craft.

    One popular mentor archetype that comes to mind is Morpheus in the movie, The Matrix.

    I used the mentor archetype in my first novel, and I didn't know that I had utilized that archetype until years later. So there must be some truth in Carl Jung's words about the collective unconscious. (I LOVE reading and studying Jung's theories, by the way. It fascinates me :-) Okay, that's my nerdy side talking.)

    Please enter me in the drawing for The Writer's Journey. I'd love to read about these archetypes in depth.

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    1. Not nerdy. Interesting side of you. smile

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    2. That's right, SANDRA. I will embrace it :-)

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    3. The collective unconscious is interesting, I believe. I hope to delve a little deeper into Jung. He and Freud were friends but split along the way.

      You're in the drawing!

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  20. Great post, Debby! I enjoy writing mentors because they can have so much personality. They can be witty, wise and quirky. I think a writer has more freedom with creating a mentor than with a hero/heroine. IMHO

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    1. I agree, Cara. I always want someone with whom my hero/heroine can conserve, bounce ideas around, discuss concerns, etc. A good friend works, but it's nice if that friend can offer advice as well.

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  21. What a great post, Debby! It's always good to talk about Campbell and Vogler's work.

    I tend to write grandmothers to serve as mentors. I have to remind myself change that up! I love grandmotherly figures to bring wisdom to my characters.

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    1. I've never used a Grandma! A grandfather once, but never Grandma. I need to reconsider! :)

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    2. Yeah, many of us are grandmas. And that means we're wise or at least we should be. :-)

      Janet

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  22. Morning Debby, Super post and we do need reminders. Yay. They seem to arrive right when we need them too. Thanks a bunch for this reminder. In my current wip the mentor is actually a young serviceman who mentors the retired officer.

    Love your books.

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    1. I love when the young guide the more senior characters. Recalling Shirley Temple made me smile. Of course, I was watching her old reruns as a child, but always loved her movies! I wonder if they're ever on TV these days.

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  23. Debby, it's okay to repeat a blog topic. You bring your own spin to it, not Tina's. And some things need to be revisited, like Show Don't Tell. It's okay to run topics in a loop. It's like reading the Bible, you gain something new even though you've heard it before. Well, not exactly like the Bible, the Seekers are not divinely inspired. but nobody can deny you are helpful.
    Kathy Bailey

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  24. Lauraine Snelling's "Red River" series, how Ingeborg becomes a mentor for everyone else. After SHE goes through the fire and is refined like gold.
    KB

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    1. Lauraine is a lovely story teller, isn't she! Plus, she's a lovely lady!

      Thanks for mentioning her series.

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  25. Good post Debby. In my first Oregon Trail story, I have two mentors for Caroline, the heroine. Her late husband Dan, who led her to the Lord, and Martha, an older woman who befriends and protects her from the gossips who would destroy her reputation. Until she can't protect her any more, and Caroline must rely fully on her Heavenly Father.
    I also have a mentor in my New York After the First World War series (THAT was a mouthful), Julia, the prostitute turned Christian and social worker, who befriends Violet and helps her through the adjustment of working in a settlement house in Hell's Kitchen.
    I have one in my current WIP, the heroine's grandmother, who raised her in the absence of an immature mother and has never stopped supporting her and praying for her reconciliation with Christ and her mother. I REALLY like the grandmother, who loves Jane through her bitterness and ultimate salvation.
    I don't have one in every book I've attempted, but this is fascinating and good to know. Please enter me in the drawing.
    Kathy Bailey

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    1. Sounds as if you have a great handle on the mentor archetype, Kathy! Love the ones you mentioned. I'm sure each mentor adds warmth and understanding to your stories. Good for you!

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  26. Good morning, Debby! Your upcoming book looks amazing, and I adore the cover! My hero in Under Duress had an obvious mentor who helped the hero and heroine hide...mostly because I couldn't think of anything else. :-) But he was a fun character to write, and now I love the mentor character because, especially in suspense, the poor hero and heroine always seem to need some help and encouragement. Thanks for a great blog post. (P.S. Would love to win the book. :-) )

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    1. Meghan, you're in the drawing!

      Your mentor served a great purpose. Plus, we always need additional characters with whom to share info, especially in a suspense. Right?

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  27. Interesting stuff, Debby! I have read Vogler's book and watched Hauge's video. I basically get the archetypes, but when I'm writing, I never consciously think about developing characters based on them. I think it just happens on its own, and if I think about it too much, I make it too hard.

    Does any of that make sense???

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    1. I agree, Myra. I don't ponder which archetypes I'll use when I brainstorm a story. I come up with the story...and sometimes a mentor is part of the mix. Certainly in my Amish Protectors series, the mentors were important in order for the heroines to learn about the Amish way.

      I like to have a chaperone when the hero and heroine are living in the same house. Call me old fashioned, but that "other" character can get in the way of a close moment and be a nice interference at times. Oh, those pesky chaperones! :)

      Often when words are tight, a character--even a mentor--can serve a number of roles.

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    2. Excellent point, Debby! More roles for a character means fewer characters. Important in shorter word counts.

      Janet

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  28. Did a stint on my WIP this morning and it Made Me Cringe. Ew. I can barely look at it. This is why we rewrite.
    KB

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    1. The work always gets better! That's my mantra!

      Hugs!

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      The work always gets better with revision. :)

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  29. Hi Debby:

    I think we have mentors in stories because that is who the writers of those stories think they are! It is really not the mentor teaching the student, it's the author teaching his readers.

    Wise grandmothers and male sages seem to be a necessary consequence of living at a time without writing. These elders were the only 'encyclopedias' available. Women were also seen as healers and the bringers of life. This gave older women power but that also make them subject to misusing that power -- as witches.

    It would be interesting to investigate how many societies have come up with the concept of the witch independently of any outside knowledge.

    Before writing these epics were tested in front of live audiences where listener reactions and interest were immediately available. Heroes with flaws were more interesting it seems. The hero needs the possibility of losing to kept interest in the conflict real. Also the theme of having the hero's flaw be his woman seemed unmanly and was also take in the first book of the bible.

    I think we have the archetypes we do because they were proved over and over again to be the winners of audience attention and appreciation. The stories with these archetypes lived on for ages and were the first to be recorded when writing developed.

    Who would, as a writer. not want to take advantage of such ancient and extensive market research? Marketing works even when no one knows it even exists!

    Vince

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    1. You've got me laughing, Vince, about that early marketing!

      Jung says the archetypes well up in our dreams, which is why he says they are the basis of The Hero's Journey, or we could say all humankind's journey.

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    2. I find it interesting that the same mythical story structure is found in all cultures, so it's not just seen in Western Civilization but around the globe.

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  30. Sorry I've been gone so long. I started a new Bible Study today and the class ran longer than I thought it would.

    But I'm back! :)

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  31. Debby, mentors really are a realistic aspect of life, aren't they? I have a couple mentors in real life who help me navigate situations I find myself in. Who help me on this writing journey, on the mothering journey, and so on.

    It makes perfect sense to make sure our characters have mentors too. We all need an outside perspective from time to time don't we? So, it's realistic our characters do too. :)

    In my current book, my heroine's older sister is her sounding board and voice of reason. My heroine doesn't always listen to her in the beginning, but she processes the advice and figures out how it might apply in her life. My hero actually gleans wisdom from his closest coworker.

    I need to read Tina's post too. That's funny that your post was similar to hers. It has been around three years, so it's okay to have a similar post . . . right? ;)

    Great post, Debby. You've got me thinking.

    Please enter me for your drawing. :)

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    1. Hi Jeanne,
      Women are social and community oriented so that we readily discuss our problems with other women and ask for and accept advice. Men are more solitary. They're often in competition and don't seek help. Think of the joke about men never asking directions when they're lost. :) Having a mentor for our female characters makes sense, doesn't it? But even the guys need a sounding board and someone to help them navigate life.

      I loved your writing space from yesterday's blog! :) So lovely!

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  32. Thanks for this insightful post, Debby! I love a good mentor. Do you think it's possible to have more than one mentor? Or rather, one character distinctly given that role?

    In my first book, my protagonist's best friend is a mentor, urging her beyond her comfort zone. Her love interest is also a mentor, encouraging her to let go of the past. Finally, towards the end of the book, her estranged father is an unlikely mentor, pointing her to the truth.

    I'd love to be put in for "The Writer's Journey." I borrowed it from the library and found it very helpful. Thanks, Debby!

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    1. Josee, I do think a number of characters can provide advice. Is the best friend the primary mentor in your story? The love interest is helping her overcome her wounded past so he's still working in that love interest role even though he's providing advice.

      Dad solidifies the advice given by the best friend mentor. Yes, Dad sounds like a mentor too. Or is his major job to help heal that old wound? He could have more than one role, of course.

      Interesting! There's probably no wrong answer.

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  33. WOW, DEBBY, this is deep stuff, my friend, and VERY educational! But I'm sure glad I'm reading this AFTER I had coffee and sustenance because this old brain doesn't work as quickly as I'd like. Or as I like to refer to it, my old hard drive, which doesn't process and pull things up quite as fast as it used to. ;)

    I apparently LOVE the mentor archetype because I have it in every one of my novels and didn't even know it!!

    YOU ASKED: Have you used the mentor archetype in your own stories? What did your mentor teach your protagonist?

    The mentors in my stories (ALL of them) open the hero's or heroine's eyes to spiritual truths that help to set them free in their various predicaments. Maybe this is because I had a spiritual mentor who brought me to Christ in my early twenties, completely changing my life, so I like to do the same for my characters and hopefully, by book's end, for my readers.

    Oh, and the movie Hitch is one of my top five fave movies ever -- Keith and I have watched it about ten times. :)

    Hugs,
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    1. Story mirrors life and most folks come to faith because someone showed them the way. Love how you've used your mentors!

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  34. Mentor. Mentor. Mentor.

    I'm stumped. Have I NEVER used a mentor? Surely I have.

    Thinking. Such a great natural concept surely I have.

    Belle Tanner in Doctor in Petticoats...and in subsequent novellas.

    Maybe Red Dawson ... the hero. Should he be a mentor? But he was, to his wife and to Wade Sawyer.

    Good grief, I'm stumped.

    Mostly I seem to have young people fumbling around on their own.

    Maybe Julia mentored the younger Kincaid clan with her interest in and knowledge of that cavern.

    (okay I'm just free-associating now, like you would in a psychiatrists ink blot test. ... Not that I'd know anything about a psychiatrist.

    I MEAN THAT!!!!!!!!!

    Tina's kind of a mentor. And now that I think of it. Deb is one. with her powerful faith and prayer life. So constant. Thank you, Deb. Maybe I'll put YOU in a book.

    If it's not to late to go down this Mentor road.

    Donkey in Shrek. I might've gotten that from Tina's post.

    Don't most of the people Ruthy is having DIE in her book do some mentoring?

    Do you always need one, Deb? I'm worried now. Lines are deepening in my forehead as I type.

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    1. No, you don't need mentors in your stories, Mary. Your folks are living in the Wild West. The guys are independent loners. They don't have time to seek advice. That just do what needs to be done! Of course, sometimes that gets them into trouble especially when it comes to romance! :)

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    2. they are pretty busy shooting people.

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    3. Hi Mary:

      Mentors?

      I can think of Pastor Bert in "The Bossy Bridegroom" as being an essential mentor.

      But my favorite mentors are the trickiest and littlest of them all: the little daughters in "Petticoat Ranch" who mentored the hero by making him think he was mentoring them even to making mistakes so he could see them improve with his teaching. I guess they were just teaching him how to survive in a family of five females. Classic! Mark Twain would have enjoyed that book.

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  35. In the Cimarron Legacy series the parents could be the mentors if they weren't gone to a hospital for mostly the whole series. Too late to keep them home though. Book #3 is turned in.

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    1. You've probably killed off a number of mentors. :)

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    2. Yu'd think the mentors would advise against it....probably do before they get shot.

      No, that's not me. RUTHY is who kills off good guys. I don't like doing it.
      Wait ... the father in that free ebook novella Boden Birthright. He was a mentor...whom I shot.

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  36. I'm doing it.
    I'm including a mentor.
    Except not in THIS series, I'm on book #2, it's too late. But soon, very soon.

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    1. Be sure to schedule a Mentor Reveal! I'll be holding my breath! :)

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    2. Mary, I think you should name your mentor Sharee in the next book. Just a thought. :)

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    3. Not as cool as a cover reveal, but still, good idea. :)

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  37. I think Sharee Stover is my mentor. We need to have lunch, Sharee, so you can give me more advice.

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    1. Sharee's a good choice for mentor! :)

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    2. Mary Connealy, you're too funny. If I'm your mentor, we're both in trouble. Giggle. However, lunch is ALWAYS an important mentoring tool :) Count me in!

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  38. But we're talking about FICTIONAL mentors......I know!

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    1. Perhaps a google mentor search would work.

      Search: Mentor for Mary Connealy!

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  39. DEBBY, this is such an interesting post! They do add to the story.

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  40. Mentoring is such an important aid for growth in anyone's life in almost any field I can think of. And fictional characters can have just as profound an influence on readers as can the hero. The world of Christian writers has some of the best mentors (not intending to insinuate they are fictional!). I wanted to study about a real life mentor—Jesus, and have been reading a book that discusses how Rabbis mentored in Jesus's time. Although it's not fiction, I thought I'd mention it with Debby's good post. It's titled Sitting at the Feet of Rabbi Jesus, by Ann Spangler and Lois Tverberg. I was led to it because I wanted to understand Beatitudes more clearly.
    Thanks Debby for teaching us about the archetypes. I'd love to be in the drawing

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    1. You're in the drawing, Barbara!

      I love learning about the time of Christ and how the rabbi "mentored" his students. The more we know, the better we can understand the beautiful words of scripture that often take on even deeper meaning. Thanks for sharing the name of your study!

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  41. And please read that as fictional mentors rather than fictional characters!!

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  42. Debby, this was a fabulous post! I have mentors in all my books, my favorite's name is José. He's groovy. Randy Alcorn's book Safely Home has an outstanding mentor, Li Quan. I have also decided I must read Scared to Death and Countdown to Death! They look fabulous.

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    1. Thanks, Sharee! Love your mention of the various mentors! Hope you enjoy either of my stories if you read them. FYI, Scared to Death won the Daphne du Maurier Award for Inspirational Suspense. Countdown won the CataRomance Book of the Year Award. Happy reading!

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  43. Wow, this is such an educational post. I just love patterns. I've noticed some story patterns myself, but not in the characters themselves per say...

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    1. Patterns are interesting, Boo! Thanks for sharing!

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  44. Great post, Debby. Mentors are important in life, so makes sense they would be important in fiction.

    Please enter me for The Writing Journey. It sounds very useful!

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    1. Sandy, you're in the drawing! And thank you so much for the reviews.

      Sandy received two of my books in the New Year's Eve party giveaways and posted lovely reviews! So sweet! So thoughtful! And so greatly appreciated!!!

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  45. Debby, For some reason the mentor from a movie that popped into my head is a mentor from a classic Hitchcock movie called Spellbound. The twist there, though, is the mentor (SPOILER ALERT for anyone who hasn't seen this Hitchcock with a very young Gregory Peck and Ingrid Bergman) turns out to be the villain. I really like the movie. One quick note. Last year, my son came home talking about heroes and mentors and a call to action, and I saw his worksheet in his English notes. He was studying Christopher Vogler's The Writer's Journey. I went to my desk and showed him the book. So please don't enter me in the drawing as I already own a copy.

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    1. How exciting that your son's teacher was talking about Vogler! I'm sure your son was impressed with Mom! :)

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  46. The one thing I've always noticed about the mentor archetype is that a lot of them die just before the climax so that the hero or heroine has to go it alone in the end.

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    1. So true, Walt! The mentor needs to get out of the picture so the hero can achieve his goals by himself!

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  47. The cliche, a day late and a dollar short, fits me this week.

    The ladies of Seekerville are great mentors sharing and encouraging us every day!

    I have a question about fictional mentors if it's not too late...my heroine's grandmother dies and that's where the book starts. The heroine remembers things her grandmother told her growing up and this is the 'mentor' relationship. It's a romantic suspense and the heroine and hero are trying to stay alive and catch the killers. Do you think that works?

    Thanks!

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    1. Yes, Jackie. That's what I did in Scared to Death. The grandfather is deceased, but his words of wisdom continue to inspire the heroine!

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  48. Seekerville is one of my 'go to' sites when I hit a roadblock in my writing. This post is especially helpful as I plot my next book in choosing a mentor. You ladies rock!

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    1. Marica, so glad you visit Seekerville...and so happy that we can help! Good luck with your mentor!

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  49. Thank you Debby!

    You've convinced me to read "The Writer's Journey" and I hope you'll enter me in the drawing. I enjoy your books.

    And just because a topic has been covered before, doesn't mean we might not want to read about it from a different viewpoint. Or have an update. God works in mysterious ways!

    May God bless you and all of Seekerville!

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  50. Thanks, Phyllis! You're in the drawing!

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  51. Always need these kinds of posts! No worries about repeating! Hate I missed getting in on the drawing!

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  52. This post came at a perfect time for my novel. I'm doing final edits, and see that expanding my mentor character is worth the rewrites. Thanks heaps!

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